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#1 Ricker

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 09:22 PM

Royalscot accidentally sent this review to me almost a week ago via PM and wanted me to post it, but for some reason I wasn't notified of the two PMs he had sent that night until today (when I received another PM). Sorry, Royalscot - must have been some sort of glitch. Anyway, without further ado, here it is:

Review of Kingdom of Heaven by Royalscot

The Kingdom of Heaven was a very thought provoking movie, although it was was dished up hollywood style and the Director, Ridley Scott is a very acclaimed Director and I suppose it needed to be put in a fashion that will captivate audiences to keep their attention on the subject of the Frankish Kingdom of Jerusalm. The Characters were true, or did exsist in history.

The Book, The Crusades by Zoe Oldenbourg, printed by Pantheon, could shed more light on this interesting subject of history. The movie was but a shell of the real truth about the continous turmoil that existed in that part of the world at that time. Mr Scott would have done well to focus on the relationship between Byzantium and the Kingdom and then the relationship between the Muslims and the Franks. I guess the behind the scenes plots, intrigues, and alliances that weakened the Kingdom could not have been explained in a hour and a half movie. Saladin, was betryed as a heathen but in reality was very compassionate towards the vanquished, wheather by design or native feelings he was very chivalrous, with the exception to the Templers and the Hospitalers, citing that they would never surrender and would continue to cause problems.

On the whole, the movie was very entertaining, very well written for Hollywood spin and well directed. The dialogue could have been clearer, but over all well done. History has a very important place in our understanding of ourselves and the world.




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Posted 15 November 2005 - 01:43 AM

I loved it. :bow_arrow:
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Posted 15 November 2005 - 02:20 AM

Royalscot accidentally sent this review to me almost a week ago via PM and wanted me to post it, but for some reason I wasn't notified of the two PMs he had sent that night until today (when I received another PM). Sorry, Royalscot - must have been some sort of glitch. Anyway, without further ado, here it is:

Review of Kingdom of Heaven by Royalscot


::grumbles::..damn....::grumbles::....wretched excuse for a.....::grumbles::.....piece of....::grumbles::



Heh, it was ok.

needed more :bow_arrow: 's

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 08:29 PM

Erm... I'm almost afraid to say this on this forum but here goes...

I didn't like Kingdom of Heaven.

I thought the storyline and dialogue didn't make too much sense most of the time, and the movie went way overboard, like Disney-style, beating the viewer over the head with messages of love, tolerance, and all that good stuff. The message was overdone to the extent that I think it probably distorted any historical truth the film might have had.

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 09:01 PM

Erm... I'm almost afraid to say this on this forum but here goes...

I didn't like Kingdom of Heaven.

I thought the storyline and dialogue didn't make too much sense most of the time, and the movie went way overboard, like Disney-style, beating the viewer over the head with messages of love, tolerance, and all that good stuff. The message was overdone to the extent that I think it probably distorted any historical truth the film might have had.

My 2 cents.


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Posted 15 November 2005 - 09:40 PM

Huh? You mean its got a story? I thought they whole movie was just the siege scene which was awsome for its accuracy! :bow_arrow: :bow_arrow: :leper: :leper: :bow_arrow:

They had HCW trebs, traction trebs and the ballista! :bow_arrow:
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:30 AM

Huh? You mean its got a story? I thought they whole movie was just the siege scene which was awsome for its accuracy!

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Well, if you're only interested in the battle scenes, by all means see the movie! That was one thing that Scott did well.
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 01:24 PM

It was a terrible film with ridiculous a plot based on a lot of misinformation. Though yes from time to time the battle seens were pretty cool

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 09:54 PM

It was a terrible film with ridiculous a plot based on a lot of misinformation.

The sex scene did not make any sense and messed up the whole plot. If that wasn't enough, the actress was ugly. :bow_arrow:
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:55 AM

As we all love to pick out the historical inaccuracies in Hollywood Epics :D do check out this site

http://www.friesian.com/outremer.htm

P.S. Was one of the Crusaders, in the opening scene, drinking drom a PLASTIC water bottle (or did I imagine it?) :blink:
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 11:58 PM

The character of Balian and Sybilla were real enough - just not as portrayed - a slight amount of "artistic licence" if you will.

In my personal opinion, the "real" Balian d'Ibelin had a lot more strength of [moral] character and did in no way "carry on" with Queen Sybilla. And despite Guy d'Lusignan being her mother's choice of groom, Sybilla was actually in love with him, having been lovers some time prior to their marriage - and she crowned him against quite a bit of opposition. And Balian was quite happy with Maria Comnena.

Great FICTIONAL story! - The REAL story is so much better!
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 06:20 PM

Great FICTIONAL story! - The REAL story is so much better!

That happens too much with history.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 03:05 AM

So true - but then it probably wouldn't sell as many tickets.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 08:36 PM

You're probably right. But maybe they underestimate what kind of a flick people would like to go and see. Someday writing the same kinds of scripts over and over will not work anymore.
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 03:12 AM

I heard the Director's Cut was way better, and I enjoyed the theatrical release even if it wasn't perfect, so I'll probably get it.

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 04:27 AM

I have both versions - and still, after all this time, haven't watched either!


Could now be the time to watch it ... ??? I'm a bit worried that after so long, and so many reviews later, that I'm not going to enjoy it for what it is ..... a story.


(I just never get around to watching films when they first come out .)

Edited by Melisende, 08 March 2008 - 04:27 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 01:54 PM

I have both versions - and still, after all this time, haven't watched either!

Did you purchase both, or did you receive them as gifts?


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Posted 08 March 2008 - 03:35 PM

All:

I haven't seen the film(maybe I should go out and get the DVD), so I can't say much. All I know is, a lot of people knowledgeable about the period have "cried foul" about it, on various grounds. I did not go out and see the film when it came out, largely on the strength of the (non-medievalist) reviewers in my local news media's non-recommendations(thoy thought it was pretty silly too). Be that as it may, I suppose if you can just view it as a kind of "Hollywood entertainment" and not worry too much about the "realities" of the time, it sounds like it might be enjoyable on that level!
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 06:16 PM

Did you purchase both, or did you receive them as gifts?



Got given the movie (and extras) - and went out and got the Directors Cut (as I heard it was much better).

I've done that with a few DVDs I've really liked - went out and got the Directors Cut (Sin City was one) after seeing just the "normal" movie.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 08:37 PM

Is there any movie covering the medieval period that is historically accurate and doesn't perpetuate myths about the period? I'm seeing a vision of a highly accurate movie maybe based on one of Bernard Cornwell's books: Agincourt or 1356. One can hope!